STOL Grassoppers t/o & land under 100 feet–who needs helos?
Posted on March 23rd, 2010 by admin
A great video proving our point: if these STOL aircraft once in the air can get over 200+ mph….you have to ask what’s the benefit of more expensive, louder, slower, IR hotter exhaust VTOL helicopters?
For example, the U.S. Army designation UV-18 Twin Otter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Canada_DHC-6_Twin_Otter
Quote:
“Maximum speed: 183 knots (210 mph (340 km/h))”
We used to have UV-18s so there’s no excuse why the Army doesn’t have some NOW to resupply and maneuver small recce teams in Afghanistan.
Moreover, a smaller diesel piston-engined STOL plane can be engine exhaust muffled to be ZERO offering no MANPADS SAM infared signature and be co-located with the ground maneuver units they are providing maneuver air support. The words of former Iraqi Coalition Authority Director of Air Ops, Major General George Molan, Australian Defence Forces:
“Even in this, the highest technology war in history, there is a role for a man in a light manoeuvrable aircraft who can use his initiative, report and transfer data, remain on station with the ground troops day and night and most importantly, establish a personal relationship with the warriors.
I do not accept the argument that a manned aircraft cannot be used … due to the threat. I believe that this argument has been confused by the control of training and operations of the aircraft by the U.S. Air Force in Iraq.
The threat to the pilot of … aircraft in Iraq operations … is far less than to the equivalent Soldier on the ground in an equally expensive and complicated armoured vehicle. The benefit in having a pilot in the loop in talking to troops on the ground is priceless, particularly in less highly technically advanced armed forces.
The threat to a pilot manoevring low to optimise his effectiveness is not at all unreasonable in an Iraq-like insurgency. Threat is relative and should not be judged by highly sophisticated U.S. standards.”
http://www.combatreform.org/USARMYAVIATIONDIGEST/grasshoppersmustreturn.htm
http://www.combatreform.org/killerbees2.htm
In WW2, the 11th Airborne did an airborne troop insertion with L4 Grasshopper Cubs…
http://www.combatreform.org/paratrooper.htm
And Piper Cubs armed with 2.36″ bazookas killed German tanks in WW2:
http://www.combatreform.org/killerbees.htm
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March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
bnther36 is wrong; …
bnther36 is wrong; STOL grasshoppers are available like the twin-engined UV-18 that fly over 200 mph. Moreover, if the U.S. military specified over 200 mph speeds, a single-engined STOL grasshopper could be obtained. Don’t be narrow-minded and anal.
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
You U ME wrong. …
You U ME wrong. Watch all the bush pilot videos here on youtube! The point is they can land anywhere and out-perform helicopters–without making operators go broke.
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
I assume these …
I assume these aircraft have barely enough fuel to make a go-around and one very malnourished pilot.
So how do they handle a well-fed pilot, his buddy, their sons and 3 days worth of camping gear?
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
KILLER bees is …
KILLER bees is exactly what we need.
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
Dude, WTF?
Looks …
Dude, WTF?
Looks like little Bees taking off.
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
The rotorheads …
The rotorheads would not want 10000+ STOL grasshoppers in the U.S. Army Aviation arsenal. But dynmicpara if were to be general of the U.S. Army, you can fight Afghanistan FAR more effectively and defeat a low tech adversary like the Taliban.
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
True, as they were …
True, as they were done in Vietnam.
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
i dont think its a …
i dont think its a maule. maybe a highlander or an american champion scout. thats very short but what was the wind speed..?
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
Great.
Great.
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
lol
lol
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
No It’s a STOL …
No It’s a STOL CH701 (or one of the varients)
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
now the airbus a380 …
now the airbus a380 is a runway
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
its deffinatly a …
its deffinatly a Maule, i dont know which model, but Maule is famous for its STOL aircraft.
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
How much is one of …
How much is one of those ?
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
amazing.
amazing.
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
I’ve never seen …
I’ve never seen anything like this. It almost needs no runway at all.
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
GREAT
GREAT
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
This video says it …
This video says it all..
The current US Military leadership is a collection of Asshats.
Why else would they refuse to use STOL observation aircraft?
Especially against an unsophisticated enemy such as the US faces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Rather they insist on using complicated, expensive helicopters and Predators neither of which are best suited for the job.
V
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
The STOL pilots …
The STOL pilots would fly into the rainbow and crash ‘n burn…oh wait! that’s what HELICOPTERS do in the movies. Sorry.
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
but what if there …
but what if there was a massive rainbow?
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
watch?v=NpXn1SfGp6M …
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March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
Yeah, it is, isn’t …
Yeah, it is, isn’t it? By the way, couldn’t you use a forward slip to lose altitude quickly on a steep approach?
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
comparing fix wing …
comparing fix wing with helies is like comparing apple with oranges and wither there is wind or not,weight or no weight…. this is awesome flying and very interesting video to watch.Great job i loved it.
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
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March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
Perhaps the only …
Perhaps the only real disadvantage of a STOL over a helicopter is that if you’re approaching right on the stall with a STOL, you run a much greater risk of dropping a wing due to turbulence or wind-sheer than is the case with a heli. There’s also the issue of accessing areas with steep approaches or high trees/obstructions. The STOL approach in the video was *very* shallow and the climbout is nowhere near as vertical as a heli. But great stuff all the same!